holy freakin tags

take notes guys.

Das is good.

Hahaha.... I have no girlfriend.

Found a bug: Go into the bathroom and check the stall. Trying to exit the stall will send you straight to the hallway, and entering the bathroom goes straight to the stall once you've entered it. Clicking the wolf lady triggers the ferret scene instead.

Actually reeeally liking the after sex scenes. Those calm moments after the climax, instead of simply cutting back to game like nothing ever happened.

I giving of being inconsistant with controls on version before this reboot, glad to see improvement on that front as well. Everything interactive gives hand cursor and UI buttons are in same places and look the same, instead of switching places and sizes.
So, just saying that improvements has been made and I want to give praise for it. Would send a cookie for das if it weren't going to crumble in post.

Pepperuranus said:
holy freakin tags

take notes guys.

Just a guess but because earlier versions of this has been posted here, those have some tags, s add more, then with new version they get copypasted with new ones added and piling up little by little.

Of course this kind of taglist for everything would be nice, but I don't think it's even possible for non-interactive images in the end.

During blowjob scene with Sydney, Milan has no tits.

Furrin_Gok said:
Found a bug: Go into the bathroom and check the stall. Trying to exit the stall will send you straight to the hallway, and entering the bathroom goes straight to the stall once you've entered it. Clicking the wolf lady triggers the ferret scene instead.

Thethhron said:
During blowjob scene with Sydney, Milan has no tits.

These have been fixed among other things in the latest one. http://crowjob.blogspot.com

You should probably start planning an endpoint before you sur Flash's capabilities again.

goldfish911 said:
You should probably start planning an endpoint before you sur Flash's capabilities again.

Taken care of

Personally, I feel like Calvin needs an extra interaction.. Or two... Bubbles is a little to "rude" for a lack of better words.. other than that lovely work

Neat, more guy on guy action with Darling :P He's really getting around. (and ha! that "quickie" surely takes the price of all quickies in this game. Neither of the dudes wasted a second, just wham-bam, thank you man xD Still, very to the point, and does it's job.)

The arrows, and text descriptions are a really good design choice tbh :D helps navigating a lot.
It's a bit interesting how the character have different interations though, based on their personality.

And well. Except for Milan. Still rocking that NPC title xD
Will be interesting to see if she ever flesh out to become an actual PC. Would need to get her own scene and a cumshot for that at least.
Anyhow, it's a neat touch that all 3 have different sounds, and finish prefernce for the blowjob scene.

But yeah, you really ought to do something with Milan once you get some spare time from working on the guys x3 I know they are prio, but launching her without any complete scenes (going by the other characters standard included ones) such as aformentioned cumshot+[focus] scene is a bit puzzling. Or is her goal to be a portable NPC of sorts?

If you check out the bathroom and peak into the stall, there's a masturbating girl. If you click on her, it takes you outside and you're instantly blowing the guy masturbating next to the stalls.. if i wanted him, I would click on him right? Anyway that might be just a place holder until you make doing the girl.

I'd like to do that herm sabertooth girl, who's part of the repair team.

The fox girl has very limited access right now.

When doing the security girl, the 'from the front' view has her out of focus - was that intentional?

Will that plot be re-introduced, where the bird needs to pay his rent and you have to blow that civil worker guy? ^_^ That was fun in earlier versions.

IN that earlier version, the shark shemale girl says 'oh me' but you cannot have interaction between the three selectable characters. I thought this version would have what they did, before... alas.

Spenatsalami said:
Neat, more guy on guy action with Darling :P He's really getting around. (and ha! that "quickie" surely takes the price of all quickies in this game. Neither of the dudes wasted a second, just wham-bam, thank you man xD Still, very to the point, and does it's job.)

The arrows, and text descriptions are a really good design choice tbh :D helps navigating a lot.
It's a bit interesting how the character have different interations though, based on their personality.

And well. Except for Milan. Still rocking that NPC title xD
Will be interesting to see if she ever flesh out to become an actual PC. Would need to get her own scene and a cumshot for that at least.
Anyhow, it's a neat touch that all 3 have different sounds, and finish prefernce for the blowjob scene.

But yeah, you really ought to do something with Milan once you get some spare time from working on the guys x3 I know they are prio, but launching her without any complete scenes (going by the other characters standard included ones) such as aformentioned cumshot+[focus] scene is a bit puzzling. Or is her goal to be a portable NPC of sorts?

I will never do squirting, no matter how many imageboards you go to complain about it, Satch. I've made this clear many times now.

Im not sure if you've seen my comment on the last version, but thanks for making Sydney more interactive lol.

das said:
I will never do squirting, no matter how many imageboards you go to complain about it, Satch. I've made this clear many times now.

You do know there are more than one person on the internet that wants less half-assed females, right?
And while squirting would have been the most fitting, considering you insist on cumshots everywhere else in these games, you could at least have included a climax scene, and a focus scene as said. If you lack the skill for it, you can always practice or ask for help you know. There's a few talented people in this fandom that knows how female anatomy looks and works. It shouldn't be too hard to find.

You currently have a utterly pointless character next to the two playable guys. As like said: She's just a portable NPC with no self-regard or needs. She adds nothing to the game PC wise. Well, aside from that you get to play as the other NPC's. Which, is interesting. But, is completely opposite and one sided to the two actual PC's.

As of now at least. You might actually give her a finished/complete scene in a later patch, but that said, why even include them now, or at all if you cba to put the effort in? If you don't know how, nor want to make a female PC, why even include it? It'd be better to just it the truth, focus on the real charcters you actually care about, and shove her somewhere as an NPC somewhere like intended.

Issue in the restroom (click on the masturbating girl in the stall and you go to the fellation scene outside the stalls)

Randomness-Wat said:
Issue in the restroom (click on the masturbating girl in the stall and you go to the fellation scene outside the stalls)

It has been mentioned like, thrice ;3
Could be an idea to skim the comments beforehand.

das said:
I will never do squirting, no matter how many imageboards you go to complain about it, Satch. I've made this clear many times now.

You sound just like Crowchild now.

So it doesn't bother anyone else that the pressure gauges in the ship are just going around in circles? Someone ought to get those lazy mechanics to check it out.

I know they are different breeds and such... but I wish one character would raise the issue of all the unprotected sex xD
Like the drunk chick being like.. "Hey, you got a condom?... Aw damn... f-fuck it just be sure to pull out" <3

Nosret said:
You sound just like Crowchild now.

It is kind of in the same vain. Promise something, then fails to deliver. Instead shoehorning something else in there. Both basically being copy paste of what they did for the males. Cuz you know, the same scene, without a cumshot, (and in HTH's, and early crowjobs case: custom genitals) totally counts as a playable female character.

It's just like... where's the point to it? If I want to play a dude, I pick Calvin or Darling. Why reverse the formula of how the PC's work when attempting to make a female one? Really takes the fun out of it when they (seem to have) the same basic mentality as literally every single female in the crowjob series: being a cocksleeve. (maybe except for that one bird... can't if they ever had a sex drive to get off... just recall they actually had needs)

But yeah, the series has been mired with that issue. It's why it was such a trainwreck the first time. (along with why HTH's first PoV female straight scene failed so hard: They made it excusively about pleasuring some guy.) Going polar opposite direction of the rest of the game. Like really, in games about walking around and having people offer to pleasure you sexually, or asking to let you use them sexually, where do you get the idea to limit a character to exlusively be able to walk around and offer to pleasure people for nothing in return?

I do really hope you step it up and offer some complete scenes in the future. But as of now, they're pretty much just an incomplete early access character.

Spenatsalami has at least one point, the female does not feel like playing a female, from a female pov.

Juremo said:
Spenatsalami has at least one point, the female does not feel like playing a female, from a female pov.

More she keeps at it, less likely I'll even consider it. This is not the way to pursue changes, I won't be forced to do anything.

das said:
More she keeps at it, less likely I'll even consider it. This is not the way to pursue changes, I won't be forced to do anything.

Firstly; I'm a guy. (But yes, I do know Satch. And I'm aware She's super-easy to use as a scapegoat) Like said, and proven by the fact I'm not the only one on this page bringing it up. (Seriously, Satch has left most sites except for FA, and her tumblr inbox in protest if you havne't noticed. Honestly not sure why she evens sticks to that site, but whatever. She's actually recently ed HF.)

Secondly: While I am aware her tactics, (especially as I am pretty much repeating her points) isn't the most effective as they tend to create a moment 22. As people tend to end up not wanting to prove people wrong, as then they would be doing [what they want]. It does perpetuate the whole [I don't have to prove anything] mentality.

So yeah. I am aware it is a double-edged sword. In both ends of the argument. I've forgot the name of the guy that brought it up. But like he says: This is a bit of a fucked situation. As if no-one brings up it, the vast majority of people, (like seen in all games, especially that sad excuse for a MMO by the Meet and Fuck crew) won't do shit about it.

If people don't feel pressure or a obligation to change something, few of them will. I've actually been pretty light on you in of critique. But the parts about the female PC, it has been blunt. If you had read Satch's blog though, what I said has been tame in comparisson. She'd tear you three new ones, and piece by piece deconstruct exactly how, and why Milan, along with the other female's are bad characters according to her in a long ass list. (and considering the butthurt caused by merely mentioning her name in any major furry site due to what she digs up on people is kinda evidence enough)

But to get back to addressing the duality of your argument: As is said: I kinda doubt you, or several other artist even would have considered female PC's if it wasn't for her sweep across the fandoms. Supposedly she's had a finger in some of the progressive changes in works like TiTS and Rack. So if it hadn't been brought up, you wouldn't have done anything with it at all.

Ergo, you'd never had to talk about it in the first place. But, as it is brought up. Most artists does seem to default into going into a defensive [I don't have to prove anything], usually after stating that they toootalllly COULD do it. But, now as someone mentioned it, they won't do it, out of spite, or becuase reason. So, correct me if I'm wrong. But it does currently seem like the options you are offering is that: Either people aren't allowed to talk about anything regarding females in your (and others) games. And just blindly hope that you (or oters) would suddenly come across the idea on your own, despite 20+ years of online porn proving that people never do. Or, if they do talk about females: that is used as the excuse to why there isn't any fleshed out females in game? (Or, if someone asks politely: they are just brushed aside, as they don't cause any pressure on the artist to bother.)

It is getting really close to a [the more people point out my mistakes, the less inclined I am to fix them] excuse repetition. I know critique can be a pain in the ass. I program apps for a living. And repetitive critique, epecially to things noted as known issues, are a bitch. But as of now, all you're doing as of now is proving that she's right, and shooting the audiance you supposedly made Milan for in the foot, out of spite towards one person.

And I'm saying that as it's pretty much a recurring epedemic. Whether it's caused by spite, laziness or incompetence. There's a bunch of arists (most of which we can thank Satch's crazy antics for) that utterly shorthand anything female just to tick her, or other critics off.

(I mean come on, Mittsies released a supposed lesbian flash, that didn't contain anything lesbian, until 6 months after its initial release. Supposedly because he was butthurt over her creating the first flash starring Trixie in the MLP fandom, despite him mentioning to her that he wanted to be the first to do that some day. And said some day was like, 4 years ago.)

I don't think you should do exactly what she says, or even what any other critic suggests. But at the very least do think about. It's just a childish and/or dick move to fuck other people over, then blame someone else as the reason to why we can't have nice things. All I've seen most artists do over the years is throw their hands up in the air, proclaiming that "It's true! They're right !" then immideatly playing a victim role about why they shouldn't have to address any of it.

Welp, trying to go in depth probably didn't help that much. But all I can say is that: just try to work something out. You should work on the game because you want to. And you CAN address the issues brought up, without having to feel forced to pander to the critics. It's not about obeying them, it about proving them wrong. (or alternatively itting to it, in case it's something you never plan to get around to.) But dancing around it is no way to go about it. All and all, if I can give any solid advice at least: Just try to avoid putting Milan in any role or sitauton you would refuse to put Darling or Calvin in. As that honestly defeats a bit of the purpose with Crowjobs PC's.

I should probably have split that reply up and addressed it in order of occurance. But it's getting freaking annoying by now to see it starting to trend that people just hurling Satch as an excuse to avoid any critique or confrontation.

She's one fucking person that exagerates her reviews, whistle blowing and . (allegedly for comedic effect) It's like if people would claim that every single snarky youtube comment HAS to be the ex: Nostalgia Critic in disguise, therefore they should not have to address any potentially valid points made by said comments. They're not a dedicated super-hacker, network or whatnot that byes blocks and IP's in order to keep ranting on someone.

Seriously people, I am only going to say this once: If you do happen to get a talking to from Satch about x, block her. Then get ANOTHER message about x. That is likely another person, calling you out on x. Possibly from by that Satch brought it up. That I can't answer. But I can safely assure you that, if you draw something like: a pussy above the navel, and she calls you out on it, I would ALSO call you out on it. Along with several other people. She's not the sole fucking anatomical com for female anatomy in the porn comunity.

Calvin getting boned by the other bird guy scene is a bit weird from the setup. This guy just runs up to you with an extremely visible boner and screams that he'll do anything for you if he can fuck you. Is Calvin getting a favor from this guy? Like maybe he needs a special part to fix something in his room and Mechanic Bird is the only one who can get it for him, and he needs it bad enough that he's willing to get fucked in the ass for it.

Yeah... das good. Das real good.

Milan is suddenly flat if she blows Sydney.

You should work on the game because you want to. And you CAN address the issues brought up, without having to feel forced to pander to the critics.

You are doing pretty good job making it feel the opposite.

If (and thats a pretty motherfucking big goddamn if) I ever do anything, you'll be all "Look what I made Das do! Go bitch at him some more to get your will through as well!"

And if I don't you'll be back with your monologues about how terrible this thing is, and how I'm wasting everyones (io. yours) time.

give us the foreskin doe

ohm i see they do have foreskin but it's all retracted, can you please animate?

tarantella said:
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I can agree with you there. It does seem a bit random. And if it's going somewhere, should possibly have been addressed by now. (unless an inventory system is going to get included later, like in the earlier games. Which would make sense then. But for, now, it's a bit strange yes.) But he does have the option to cum from it I guess.

das said:
You are doing pretty good job making it feel the opposite.

I never claimed to be good with my vocabulary either.
The issue as said is kinda how you force the opposite, in a seeming [fuck those guys] manner. (Like how you at first, only did requests/extra characters that had animal/alien penises, then, only took commissions of characters with alien/animal penises. Or rather: purposefully putting them at the end of the queue, until you now: settled on all having human genitals. Giving anyone that asked for a female alien/animal char a [sorry, you missed your chance] shrug.)

You've kinda always gone out of your way towards one side, while always just tapping your fingers and going "about that..." in the other direction.

To quote, it's very similar to "Some people's idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage." As you went along with basically anything you were asked pre-station 3, as long as it included a penis. Wheter it meant you had to learn a new penis design, or do some new fetish. But as soon as anyone asked for anything with a female, it just screeched to a halt. (I know at least 4 people that asked to include an equine character. All denied, one after they said it wasn't a male one.)

I do actually really ire that you've stuck to only human ones atm. (especially with the foreskins, kudos on that.) But as said: It's a little too late to avoid assiciation considering what you did before that.
And to answer IF you ever did anything: No, I would not. As then you would have removed the only major complaint I can think of in this series. (not counting the contradictions of earlier installments) As for Satch: She would no longer give a flying fuck about you. She let go of a 5 year old vendetta in a day when the one that caused it appologized for lying about a thing, and being a bitch about it. (and Satch supposedly also appologized, at least to what the artist told me.)

And well, monologues are a bit harder to avoid than the shorter 1-3 row text of people asking when you will do x, or why y isn't included. Which you so far have seem to been ingoring, hoping people will just give up on asking them. Though I could be wrong. But it certainly feels like it.

Anyhow, to wrap this up: As you seem to be a bit too agitated for a topic that was brought up at most 4-6 months ago. I do have to ask: Has this happened more recently? As going with your behaviour, it is possible that you are getting trolled by people that hate Milan and/or female characters. That just want more gay stuff with Calvin and Darling?

This is a speculation, but garnering what you have replied with so far: Is it not true that you would refuse to do any lesbian/female focused content, as long as someone bitches about it? If so, all any of those people have to do, is keep bitching about you each update, asking for "less gay shit", "more straight stuff/pussy" or etc, and they essentially would have you wrapped around their fingers, doing their bidding?

As at this point, that sounds like all they need to do for you to put even more effort into male scenes, and less into female ones. I mean, like several people have mentioned across different sites: Milan doesn't feel like playing a female PC. She doesn't follow any of the formula as all the prior Crowjob PC's have. And again: It's not just two people complaining about it. It's only two people loudly complaining about it. But that said: consdering that nearly everyone would be complaining about it if you gave Darling or Calving the same treatment, it seems like a fair point to bring up, hopefully before you derail any further with her.

I have never prioritized characters by the style of the genitals. I didn't and I still do not do 'realistic' animal genitalia. Previously I tried to keep the male/female ratio around the same, which is why I asked for a specific gender.

What comes to people requesting races, I ignore most of them, unless they commission one in. And I've never discriminated commissioners in any way by putting them "at the end of the line", it has always been first come-first serve. If someone is not paying up, I'm not starting on that one and take someone else instead.

I'm fine with lesbian stuff but "squirting" is fucking disgusting and I will not do it, and so far you are the only one who has a problem with this.

Might as well start animating vomiting and shitting diaperfurries.

das said:
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You still drew animal penises to everyone that asked you. Yet simply ed on everyone that asked for a animal themed genital if the char was female.
And yes, you don't anymore. But it was still a dick move when you did.

I can't say for certain, as I never even spoke to you about commissions. But from those I talked to. It was more or less a "so what did you have in mind? Female huh? Eh... I'll have to see/I gotta check the current queue." and then they never heard from you again. (Apart from the one that got something akin to a "Oh, sorry, I thought they were male, nvm.". They could be fabricated for all I know. But it would seem strange to just fabricate that for no reason. And it does add up to there only being male animal penises.

... you do know a sterilized/infertile male ejaculate the exact same gunk as a female that squirts, right? It's just a large heap of prostatic acid phosphatase. Same shit as the male, but without the 5-15 % actual sperm. (and okay, sure, like, 30 % of women ejaculte it diluted with varied % of urine, but this is porn, ignore those 30 %.
Not to mention: there's a 5-10 % of guys that ejaculate encrusted piss or some shit on ocassion.)
Either case, my issue was mainly with that Milan has no climax scene, not that she can't ejaculate. She's literally the only PC without one. Heck, even Darling had one shoehorned in his latest scene with that guy Tozi.

And to the last part; I do have to give you a [Really?] response.
That's one of the most useless excuses out there.
It's like if someone says: "I saw you animated a footjob in the latest patch, think you can do handjobs too? - Fuck no. Guess you might as well want me to animate scat and vore too huh?" or "Hey, nice job on the gay threesome, any chance we'll get to see a straight one? - Pfft! Guess you want me to animate heartporn and hyper too huh?!"
Just cobbling toghther something utterly irrelvant to the topic, to try and defame it is among the lowest excuse there is. It's about as coherent as if I were to say "Ah, you don't like squirting? Well, enjoy your child-porn and snuff films you nazi-sympathizer!" it literally has nothing to do with anything. It's just cobbled togheter [by assiciation] insults. In a weak attempt to make something irrelevant seem worse.

Male cumshots direct counterpart is squirting. Same like male footjobs are directly counterpart to female footjobs.
Those are all associated. Like how, if you like ex: deepthraoting, it is normal to assume you also like oral in general. And if you draw ex: lesbians and footjobs. It's not far fetched to assume you might be okay with a lesbian footjob. Pretty simple stuff. And ergo, as (to what I can recall at least) every single penis that has been in your animatons, has had an upped amount, porn cumshot. It's not rocket science to why a bunch of people might ask for the female counterpart. Especially as you d releasing a female PC. Which as said: For some reason just has you play as the mechanic instead during her sex scene. Which again: Raises the question to why she was included, if we're not gonna get to play as her anyhow... any of this going through?

Now you're just full of crap. It's like you are trying to force a 'bad-guy' stamp on me.

I'm done~

Let people make what they want to make. If they don't want to make something, trying to force them or make them feel guilty by not giving into your particular desires just makes you look like a selfish asshole. I have gone through this enough myself with people on here, I need not see it happen to others.

Quit the pointless arguing and move on.

i was playing as darling and talked to the security camera girl and it made me calvin. but one of my favored sex games

das said:
*dealing with trolls*

I've been following your various projects since 2011 Das. Please don't let the idiots get to you. Your work is yours, and it has constantly improved over time. I'm always looking forward to updates on whatever you decide to work on next.

das said:
Now you're just full of crap. It's like you are trying to force a 'bad-guy' stamp on me.

I'm done~

Attempts to force a 'bad-guy' stamp on me>I point it out, using your identical method>You flip your shit and storm off, gasping with a palm to your head, posing dramatically to the crow on how they should feel sooo sorry for you for how someone dares to smack some sense into you when you're being a dick to others.

Yeah, that's some real mature stuff right there. Especially how you literally ignored every issue brought, then made up a lie, and acted outraged at it in order to shift blame.

If you want to be an ass to others, you're more than welcome. Just don't expect special treatment just because you got some status. Especially if you insult someone, then try to pull a [woe me!] over the fact your actions have consequences.

While you probably can just keep running away from, and avoiding responsiblities. I really woudln't recomend that.

Ratte said:
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Yeah, but being okay with being forced to make things they didn't want to do, as long as it was penises. Refusing to answer any questions to why they don't want to draw x, (aside from claiming that if they started to draw that, then they would have to draw diaperfurs as well. Then get upset about numerous people asking them a question they refuse to say more than "no comment" on, only perpetuating people to ask about it, as he never gets around to giving a straight answer.)

Atop simply just giving promises, then just shrugging, hurling it out the window and either entierly skip it, or make something else. Then get upset over that people were dissapointed he didn't deliver what he promised, or rather: what he painted up.

I've seen this enough time with dozens of artists. Most of which just openly scam their fans by promising a shitton, delivering around half. But charging full price for it. This at least doesn't cost anything. So I am more than willing to overlook most things. But some of the afformentions things is just a dick move. Especially to just outright ingore when their questions are answered. And their false claims debunked. To then just keep shifting their blame and focus, that's just a dick move of trying to avoid having to confront their shortcommings.

I was more than a bit of a snarky and/or sassy dick myself. But I at least didn't bring up a topic, then just drop it when they realized they couldn't win it And as said: instead just hurled the next one towards me, in attempt to defame me. Which they succuessfully did, as, most people don't even bother to read context. They only read one comment, then just leap in to white knigt.

He has some good points, but a lot just seems to be salty bickering towards someone he has a gripe with. And again: That's just a dick move to punish the entire collective, becuase he is hating on one person. Or two now I guess with me as well. He's basically the teacher that gives the entire class detention, becuase one kid couldn't behave. It's at least not as bad as he releases updates for free. But it's still not entierly cool.

It's at least not a HTH of "Hey, we're gonna include a female PC option! Full customization like for how we have done males!" then just pull a "Eh, you know what? Nevermind. Not enough people were using the functions we haven't included yet. Zero custimation for female PC's. No species, no nothing. And oh, 90+ % of your stuff will just be reskinned male scenes." and then they wonder why interest dropped... there's so far like what? 6 scenes? Only one of which has a finish. And it's not even in the only scene exclusive to females.

I know I gotta polish my etiquette some, but I ain't the only one.

Please continue man, this is freaking hot!

Very good...but I still miss the lizard guy from the original version.

das said:
I have never prioritized characters by the style of the genitals. I didn't and I still do not do 'realistic' animal genitalia. Previously I tried to keep the male/female ratio around the same, which is why I asked for a specific gender.

What comes to people requesting races, I ignore most of them, unless they commission one in. And I've never discriminated commissioners in any way by putting them "at the end of the line", it has always been first come-first serve. If someone is not paying up, I'm not starting on that one and take someone else instead.

I'm fine with lesbian stuff but "squirting" is fucking disgusting and I will not do it, and so far you are the only one who has a problem with this.

Might as well start animating vomiting and shitting diaperfurries.

das said:
Now you're just full of crap. It's like you are trying to force a 'bad-guy' stamp on me.

I'm done~

Professor'sCrew said:
Das I love you work, do this in your own time and do whatever you want to do to the game,I wouldn't listen to any negative unless it was an issue like a Bug, I think your game is perfect ;)

i understand how you feel i get crap all the time from people so im not gonna ask you to keep putting yourself out there like this just know if no one else then at least i for one love all your work

poor female only has the one crow and the ferret in the bathroom.

paper1 said:
Personally, I feel like Calvin needs an extra interaction.. Or two... Bubbles is a little to "rude" for a lack of better words.. other than that lovely work

Totally disagree. Bubbles is probably my favourite character. But I do agree that there should be maybe one or two more for Calvin.

IT IS BACK.
yey.

and to this day, i don't understand the Avoiding Post list, nor the DNP